Hi, On 7/7/21 2:14 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Hans de Goede: > >> Hi, >> >> On 7/7/21 1:08 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> * Neal Gompa: >>> >>>> Wait, why don't we have guile 3.0? >>> >>> We have a mandate from Fesco that the core toolchain must depend on >>> Guile. Naturally that makes updates rather difficult. >> >> So I've gone and checked the Fesco issue where dropping guile >> support from make + gdb was discussed: >> >> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2558 >> >> And I must say that I find the argumentation for rejecting the >> change very very weak. I would really expect Fesco to make better >> motivated decisions then this one. >> >> I'm especially shocked about how Fesco is in essence mandating >> a group of maintainers to spend time maintaining a feature >> where they clearly have indicated they don't want to maintain >> that feature. > > I guess this is partly on us (on the toolchain side). We missed the > meeting Yes that was less then ideal OTOH since there was no majority to either reject or accept it would have been better IMHO for Fesco to simply postpone the decision and explicitly invite you for the next meeting. <snip> >> My being shocked here is not so much about the guile issue, >> but about a IMHO much bigger issue underlying this decision: >> >> Since when does Fesco get to mandate on which features our >> volunteer maintainers get to spend there time ? > > Most of us Fedora toolchain maintainers aren't volunteers in the actual > sense of the word, so we shouldn't play the volunteer card (and Fesco > probably knew this too). I know that several members of the Red Hat > Platform Tools team (who maintain the toolchain downstream) have Fedora > work as goals or key responsibilities. Right, I knew that already, but IMHO that only makes this Fesco decision worse, if you were true volunteers you could choose to simply walk away (which even for volunteers is not an easy decission, but it is a real option) where as now you are stuck between a rock and a hard place, which I see as worse then the pure volunteer situation. I think it is great how you are simply taking this in stride, if I were in your shoes I would certainly be very unhappy about this. Anyways Neal and Miro have indicated that they would be happy to revisit this for Fedora 35, so I think the best way forward here is to resubmit the change for Fedora 35, you can still do this until 2021-07-20 . Regards, Hans _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
