> Am 02.06.2021 um 03:09 schrieb Michel Alexandre Salim via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > On Mon, 2021-05-31 at 15:19 +0200, Peter Boy wrote: >> >> >>> Am 28.05.2021 um 23:08 schrieb Chris Murphy < >>> lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: >>> >>>> …… >>> >>> All I mean by this is to push back on the idea that the proposal >>> for >>> Cloud translates into delaying the decision for Server by 5 or 10 >>> years. Not that Server folks should escalate their discussion. >> >> What I originally meant was the idea to discuss / explore >> opportunities to coordinate or join the efforts of Server WG and >> Cloud WG and to better aline both. > Until that happens (and if the Server WG cares about this maybe that > should be formally proposed to the Cloud WG?) - it probably does not > make sense to expect that Cloud development be held back by anything > the Server WG might want to do. Indeed, I see it differently. If I seriously want to discuss cooperation and product alignment with another group, then I refrain from making any major changes beforehand, unless an emergency arises. This applies all the more to matters that are known to be controversial and that increase existing differences. >> >> But that idea seems to me got silently out of attention over time. We >> discussed that an the beginning of March, Server WG picked it up >> again at the end of March, and there was a brief mention in Cloud WG >> in early April. Since then there has been silence. >> > Do you have a reference for that? Would love to follow that discussion https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-server/fedora-server.2021-03-31-17.00.log.html 17:55:53 <pboyHB> Just as an info about our recent cloud coop discussion Fedora Cloud had had a meeting yesterday .... 17:56:07 <pboyHB> And we can feel honored: As Dusty put it: „the server WG has approached us again about possible collaboration/merging. There seems to be more interest this time.“ https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2021-04-07/fedora-server.2021-04-07-17.01.log.html 7:45:52 <michel_slm> "so... last week it's apparent the Cloud WG knows we want to reach out. should we start engaging more formally? e.g. start a thread in our mailing lists?“ :-) and the follow up. >> And part of such a programmatic discussion would also be the >> exploration of common features of server and cloud, of possible >> adaptations and synergy effects, which was discussed at the beginning >> of the year and planned after Dusty's return. All that is gone now as >> a result of that action, virtually in an "overnight coup d'état". And >> this was (and is) my argument, not various single technical >> properties, advantages or disadvantages of BTRFS. And that is what I >> regret. >> > Such a high level conversation would be nice, but again, until that > happens (on devel/server/cloud mailing lists), and there's a consensus > about how Server and Cloud would work together going forward, how is a > Change Proposal targeted at Cloud usage after months of conversation an > "overnight coup d'état"? very nicely put. According to Matthew and others cloud wg did virtually not exist for more than a year, no meetings, silence on mailing list beyond bi-weekly announcement of a „standing“ meeting nobody attended to, there was discussion to „kill“ it, great reluctance on the side of Dusty in our meeting March 3 to make any changes on the artefacts at all, new start of 2-weekly meetings March 30, „months of conversation“ which spell down to 4 meetings in 2 months, and then such a very fundamental change. Well, the wording may be a bit offhand, but by no means farfetched. And lest there be any misconception, Cloud WG may decide what or about what they deem useful. That is not my business. But regarding the planned discussion about cooperation and alignment of server and Cloud WG and artifacts, I am "not amused" and can't really take it seriously anymore. There are more serious and urgent tasks waiting for us. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
