On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On 23. 07. 20 16:53, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > On 23. 07. 20 16:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > >> I like Neal's proposal of "Fedora ELN may use default streams at this > > >> time, and default streams for ELN [...] are delegated to the ELN SIG > > >> with a report for review by FESCo on the progress of using modularity > > >> technology in this manner" in the FESCo approval ticket. > > > > > > My stand here is consistent with what I've said easier: The wider community > > > needs to be part of this discussion, please don't just ask FESCo for this > > > approval, either make it an esecntial part of this change proposal, submit > > > another one or discuss this in a dedicated thread on devel. > > > > Sorry, I've meant "what I've said earlier", "essential". > > I think Stephen has done the right thing here so far. At this point, I > don't want to keep sending him around in circles for this. I've been > there, and that's not a fun place to be. The reason I turned this into a Change Proposal was to get more eyes on it, but it has already effectively been approved by FESCo. I'm incorporating any clarifications that people come up with, but I don't see the need to move the goalposts yet again. > The reason I asked for regular reports about the progress for the > usage of modularity technology in this manner is because at this point > I feel like we need to have visibility on how stuff is improving as > they experiment and develop through ELN. We have an opportunity to > provide our expertise to help guide the development of modularity > technology on the right path to make it suitable for wider use in > Fedora. I think this is perfectly reasonable. I'll keep FESCo in the loop as we move ahead. > And frankly, ordinarily we trust SIGs to do the right thing with their > projects. I do not see this as any different. I do think it makes > sense to have a general policy, and then note that it cannot be used > for Fedora at this time, because it gives a framework in which modules > can be developed to be used in Fedora later by default if we ever > decide to allow them again. > > My only real complaint about ELN is that they don't want to make > install media for people to regularly try out this Fedora variant. I > think that does a disservice to the efforts and makes it harder for > broader testing. Uh, we're making the media, we're just not putting it on getfedora.org. You can get it from https://odcs.fedoraproject.org/composes/production/latest-Fedora-ELN/compose/Everything/x86_64/iso/ (Note that right now it's not actually installing ELN, it's installing regular Rawhide, but that's a bug I'm working on.) _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
