On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:26 AM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 22. 07. 20 14:53, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:28 AM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > ... > >> As said in the modularity docs PR (but I cannot find it now, because pagure.io > >> is down), I am not sure what is the outcome wrt default streams. Default streams > >> are not allowed now. If this change proposal and the policy is approved, does it > >> mean that: > >> > >> 1) default streams are still not allowed (and hence the default streams section > >> of the policy is moot) > >> > >> 2) default streams are allowed (and hence it should be spelled out explicitly > >> and this should be a system wide change proposal) > >> > >> 3) default streams are allowed in ELN, but not in non-ELN Fedora (and hence it > >> should at least be said somewhere - in the policy or in the proposal) > >> > >> 4) something different? > > ... > > > > I was on PTO last week, sorry for the late reply. > > > > I phrased this policy in such a way that it can apply to any of those > > cases. Use of *any* default in Fedora or ELN must be approved by FESCo > > (with the option for FESCo to delegate that decision to the ELN SIG if > > desired). Right now, FESCo's position on modular defaults in non-ELN > > Fedora is "any such requests will be denied". The policy leaves it > > open for FESCo to make an exception if they deem it appropriate. Does > > that clear things up? > > I am not sure this makes much sense. My comment in > https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/modularity/pull-request/83#comment-124761 stands. > The default module streams policy should either say (just) "Default modular > streams are not allowed in Fedora and EPEL" or at least it should have a warning > box at the beginning that says "Default modular streams are not allowed in > Fedora and EPEL, the following rules are provided just for completeness". > > To me it makes no sense to have a list of rules for something that is not > allowed. It's like having a section with comprehensive rules and recommendations > about shipping proprietary software in the package guidelines while at the same > time we say it is not allowed. > > Alternatively, since the intention was from the beginning to allow modular > streams in ELN [0], the change proposal should IMHO acknowledge this and the > default modular streams policy should apply to ELN only. IIRC the ask to "create > a change proposal" [1] was to allow modular streams in ELN, yet this change > proposal actually leaves that out. Okay, I'm fine with adding a note at the top that mentions that default streams are currently forbidden in Fedora. (In EPEL, they *may* be permitted in the buildroot, but not the runtime.) > So I have to ask: What is the plan wrt default streams in ELN? Is the plan to > approach FESCo with the same ask once this policy is approved? Or are default > modular streams in ELN no longer needed? > I like Neal's proposal of "Fedora ELN may use default streams at this time, and default streams for ELN [...] are delegated to the ELN SIG with a report for review by FESCo on the progress of using modularity technology in this manner" in the FESCo approval ticket. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
