On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 05:36:06PM +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > One strong argument for the proposed change is that, currently, an > abstention or recusal (TIL that's the proper term) is essentially > equivalent to a negative vote. (As long as we require +5 to pass, > any vote apart from +1 has the same effect.) > > In a hypothetical case where three or four FESCo members were involved > in a change and decided to recuse themselves, a proposal gets a very > high bar of 5/6 or 5/7 votes. If one or two voting members are absent, > the change may not even pass even if *all* non-abstaining members are > in favour. Especially in the case of recusal it should be a higher bar, to keep the assessment on the same level. If a non FESCo member proposes a solution, this person needs to convince 5 people, that their solution is good. If a FESCo member proposes a solution, this person would only need to convince 4 people (or less, depending on the final rule), that their solution is good. A positive voting result should always be a statement, that at least 5 people in FESCo can approve the thing in question, to the best of their knowledge. In the case that a FESCo member assumes a conflict of interest for her/him this should just lead to a self-removal from the process (either by voting no, which seems weird, or by abstaining, which counts as no, but doesn't seem weird) The result should be the same, that 5 FESCo members (optimally with a minimum amount of conflict of interest) can confirm that the thing in question should happen. Removing people not attending the vote from the quorum can be discussed, but if a lot of people either don't care about the question or explicitely don't vote for some reason, this is probably also not a vote that should go through. All the best, David
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