Hey Daniel, do you mind updating the GDPR compliance tag to include Google? Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Williamson" <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 1:22:27 PM > Subject: Re: Modularity Survey > > On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 08:41 -0400, Alex Scheel wrote: > > > > There's a marketing piece from 2017 that alleges that none of gsuite > > (including their gmail for gsuite!) gets scanned for ads: > > > > https://www.blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/ > > > > > > I think we can agree that--at one point in time (2014-2017)--Google's > > position was that they aren't scanning gsuite content. > > But that's not what a GDPR declaration is about at all. It doesn't have > anything to do with what the entity who gets the data claims they are > or are not doing with it. Only with whether or not they get the data. > > I don't know or care whether Google is automatically scanning the > content for the purpose of showing advertising or not, really. But > that's not the question here at all. I'm going to quit responding sometime as this really has gotten out of hand, but please look at the context for my original mail in this subthread. Please, read the context in which I was responding! https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/RGNGPXMXW4E6W4X6DUTLYWI4ZYQS3CHF/ and https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/BBA25DUX4HZMYLGEDS7ZDLN2SQX5IYFU/ > > Indeed. Once again, Fedora is depending on third-party, proprietary, > > privacy-invading SaaS. > Meets exactly my thoughts... > This is yet again another disappointing choice of tool. > > I'm not going to give anything to Google, hence I can _not_ answer the > survey. > Too bad, there is much to be said about modularity, as the lengthy > threads have already shown. > > Unfortunately, Fedora is drifting more and more away from the Libre > Software philosophy that over time made me a Linux-only user and a > Fedora packager. At some point, I will have to put my money where my > mouth is and find another ship. > Yes, I'm bitter... The replies I was responding to weren't expressly GDPR comments! They're attacks on people! IMO, that should've been called out. So I did. I agree, from a GDPR compliance perspective, someone with access to the survey could add a disclaimer. But insinuations that Google is using the data submitted by this form, on their own, is IMO, wrong. And should be called out. That's why I did. > > I'll make the assumption that, were this to have changed, a number > > of large businesses would've been upset and there would've been > > media reports and potentially legal proceedings. I haven't found > > any. :-) > > Again I don't know why you're all making assumptions like this? Don't > you read the news? Google (and Facebook et al) have been "caught" doing > all sorts of stuff with user data all the time. It does make the news. > Frequently. I do read the news. Google and Facebook have been caught abusing **individual** data. I agree with you on that. I think it is wrong and they should stop. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about an enterprise gsuite account with a contract between Google and Red Hat. Where are the news articles about Google doing data mining on other companies data? Perhaps I've missed all the relevant news articles though. I'd imagine, with all the data companies store in Google drive, this would've been an easy case. To not use GMail is one thing. To attack those who created an optional survey--based on an unproven premise--is IMO, out of line. It isn't being excellent to others. And to be clear, the two posters I replied to weren't being excellent; you were ok. - Alex _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
