(I had several replies to Adam, but I ultimately got stuck finding supporting URLs until I revisited it this morning.) IANAL. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kamil Paral" <kparal@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:25:55 AM > Subject: Re: Modularity Survey > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 7:22 PM Adam Williamson <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-04-07 at 13:12 -0400, Alex Scheel wrote: > > > I'm sure we can trust that Red Hat did its > > > > > > due diligence and Google isn't using responses to a customer's form to > > > > > > track those taking the survey. > > > > I don't really know why you'd think anyone can trust that. Google > > tracks everyone everywhere as hard as it can. It's what Google *does*. > > > > But I didn't actually suggest it's Terribly Awful to run this survey > > through Google. I just said the privacy declaration seems to be wrong. > > > > I personally considered it quite clear that the intended meaning was that > they are not giving the data away to anyone external deliberately. Your > responses will be read and understood by a very small group of people and > not published in raw form. Yes there are servers and software providers > along the way. But this way you could also include the ISPs who also are > not prevented from snooping in your packets (and it's trivial at least for > plain text emails). And even if they provided a "direct" way to send your > responses to their email, and we ignored the ISPs, still, Google is the > email provider for most RedHatters. So there's no improvement at all. > > I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it, but the points mentioned are > common for most data submissions anywhere. I don't think it was the core of > the message. :-) It is tricky trying to pin down what Google does, on the outside, without any knowledge of what contracts actually got negotiated. There is an undated white paper which directly discusses it: https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html#no-advertising The only date mentioned there is 2014. Coincidentally, the 2014 Google Apps privacy policy also explicitly called it out: https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en_us/terms/2014/2/premier_terms_ie.html I tried looking at the new terms link on gsuite's page: https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/ But that just redirects to the generic, Google-wide page: https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en Which is geared more towards consumers than enterprises. Neither "enterprise" nor "premier" appear. On the list of apps page: https://policies.google.com/terms/service-specific?hl=en There's a link here: https://www.google.com/drive/terms-of-service/?hl=en You can control who sees ads even, in a gsuite account, so maybe that's sufficient: https://support.google.com/a/answer/6304811?hl=en There's a marketing piece from 2017 that alleges that none of gsuite (including their gmail for gsuite!) gets scanned for ads: https://www.blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/ I think we can agree that--at one point in time (2014-2017)--Google's position was that they aren't scanning gsuite content. I'll make the assumption that, were this to have changed, a number of large businesses would've been upset and there would've been media reports and potentially legal proceedings. I haven't found any. :-) My 2c. - Alex Not delivered by GMail ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
