----- Original Message ----- > From: "Xavier Bachelot" <xavier@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Kevin Kofler" > <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:15:37 PM > Subject: Re: Modularity Survey > > Le 07/04/2020 à 12:29, Kevin Kofler a écrit : > > Adam Williamson wrote: > >> Well. Uh. Clearly it's being provided to *Google*. > > > > Indeed. Once again, Fedora is depending on third-party, proprietary, > > privacy-invading SaaS. > > > > Meets exactly my thoughts... > This is yet again another disappointing choice of tool. > > I'm not going to give anything to Google, hence I can _not_ answer the > survey. > Too bad, there is much to be said about modularity, as the lengthy > threads have already shown. > > Unfortunately, Fedora is drifting more and more away from the Libre > Software philosophy that over time made me a Linux-only user and a > Fedora packager. At some point, I will have to put my money where my > mouth is and find another ship. > Yes, I'm bitter... (I'm not on the modularity team). Look folks. This isn't a Fedora-only survey. It is a survey run by Red Hat members who are looking to engage with a community that includes Fedora, Red Hat, CentOS and a bunch of other stakeholders as well. I think we can all recognize that Google Apps usage is high among businesses. Yeah, if this were a Fedora-only survey, we all would've hoped they'd go for an open source tool. But it isn't Fedora-only. And pretending like it matters for this IMO, isn't a legitimate complaint. This is a business backed Google Apps account. I'm sure we can trust that Red Hat did its due diligence and Google isn't using responses to a customer's form to track those taking the survey. But by definition, they need to hold a copy of that data. Someone, somewhere would. That's how the internet works. I sit on the new Modularity meetings now. I'll be the first to admit I'm not a strong supporter of Modularity. I've been very vocal against it in the past. But I do think that this new team is honestly trying to do the right thing and engage with the community. They aren't trying to push features top-down and they're trying to understand what is wrong and are trying their best to fix it. Part of that is collecting data and stories from people. If we, as a community, push them away now, we'll never see any much-needed improvements to modularity. And tbh, I'm not even sure we're in a place now where we could remove it if we truly needed to, without a lot of pain in the upgrade path. Let's try and be reasonable here. I'm willing to pass along any comments people have individually. Thanks, - Alex > Regards, > Xavier > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
