----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "Nicolas Mailhot" <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 11:02:52 AM > Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04 > > Watching the discussion in the other big thread, I feel it has become > rather too toxic & negative, going over & over the same points, verging > into personal insults, and repeatly beating people over the previous > communication or process failures. I struggle to see anything positive > coming from further contributors joining in that discussion thread, > which I expect is why so many choose to remain silent. Agreed on the toxicity and negativity, but I still think it is important to get a sense of everyone's thoughts, not just those of us who participate in this thread. > Going for a formal vote on this topic would not be a good step at this > point in time, as the issue is far too emotive & raw. A vote will serve > to crystalize division instead of healing it & we need to consider what > is viable, as voting for something that can't then be delivered is even > worse. I wasn't suggesting a formal vote. I was suggesting a survey, using an existing mechanism. We could also use Google forms (like Modularity did), but that'd make the results less visible and some people don't like Google. Also, the voting mechanism ties into FAS ID's and has restrictions on who can participate (users with two different groups right?). It'd be hard to enforce something similar with Google forms. > IMHO there needs to be a general cooling off period, followed by a fresh > look at what the realistic options available to Fedora are, given the > current decisions that have been made & the resources available to the > project[1]. We need to be positive & constructive if we're to make any > progress, and get out of the negative blame game we're in right now. I think we need to involve everyone who CPE works with in one forum, otherwise we'll likely arrive at maintaining two separate projects, one just for Fedora and one for CentOS and Red Hat. Perhaps that is what is best though, who knows. > Regards, > Daniel > > [1] I'm not saying that we must go ahead with the decision to replace > Pagure with GitLab. Just that we need to carefully consider where > to go from here, as any decision needs to be sustainable for the > project in the long term. > -- > |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange > |:| > |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com > |:| > |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange > |:| > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
