On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:58 PM Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:16 pm, Paul Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> For a solution to be viable it needs to meet requirements.
Of course, but the problem is that the requirements identified by CPE
are wildly inconsistent with the actual requirements of the Fedora
community. The Pagure we have right now seems to be working fine for
Fedora. All we really need is occasional light maintenance and ensuring
the infrastructure keeps running. I don't think we'd be having this
conversation now at all if "dist-git must be open source" was a listed
requirement, as it should have been from the beginning.
We don't need merge trains or MR approvals or mobile apps (seriously?)
or private comments or gists or analytics or basically any of the other
requirements that Neal has lampooned. I understand CentOS and RHEL
really want merge trains, so maybe that one is a good faith
requirement, but I honestly don't think most of the rest of them are.
The list seems to have been concocted by looking at GitLab features
exclusive to Enterprise and Ultimate editions and then listing as many
as possible, not by actually listing features that are really actually
needed to make things work. I know the requirements came from
stakeholders and not from CPE, but the requirements are so far removed
from Fedora's actual needs that it has jeopardized the legitimacy of
the rest of the process. Fedora simply doesn't need any of it. To the
extent that CentOS or RHEL actually needs a non-OSS feature -- and I
don't think they *really* do, because those look like nice-to-haves --
then that just means that their needs are incompatible with Fedora's.
So let's fix the requirements first. Attempting to share requirements
with CentOS and RHEL has clearly failed.
The CPE team are at the intersection point of CentOS, Fedora and RHEL. We cannot escape that so any requirements gathered needs to respect that. We cannot sustain a service of feature for multiple individual stakeholders of this breadth. This was a driving factor in the exercise and decision.
A corrected requirements list
would start with OSS so that we don't consider non-OSS solutions as
viable for Fedora; they are not. If CPE is dead set on hosted GitLab,
then we should ask GitLab to set up a GitLab CE instance for us, and
let them know that's the only product we're willing to pay for.
Michael
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