On Tue, 2020-03-31 at 14:22 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2020-03-31 at 17:06 -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > > > Sure. I tend to think of these as 'upstream projects' that we (Fedora) > > > consume as a downstream. Project hosting has always been a kinda > > > optional bolt-on, I think; going back to the days of fedorahosted.org I > > > don't think we've ever hosted everything "Fedora-adjacent" in our own > > > hosting service, it's always been a "use it if you want to" thing, and > > > the rule for using a project in Fedora has always been "is it open > > > source?", not "how is it hosted?". > > > > Although the Council changed that hard line some time ago. > > Someone told me that a few minutes ago; either I wasn't aware at the > time or have forgotten, but my personal opinion is that this was a > mistake. For a bit more on this, it seems Council discussed it again today: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/council/council.2020-04-01-14.00.log.html as noted there, the precise text agreed was: "The Fedora Project wants to advance free and open source software and as a pragmatic matter we recognize that some infrastructure needs may be best served by using closed source or non-free tools today. Therefore the Council is willing to accept closed source or non-free tools in Fedora’s infrastructure where free and open source tools are not viable or not available." To me that's fairly strongly qualified. "Not viable or not available". Note, that does not say "not the absolute best-in-class", it says "not viable". Has it been demonstrated that either Pagure or Gitlab CE are "not viable" for the purposes Fedora needs? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx