On Sat, 2019-12-14 at 02:30 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Simo Sorce wrote: > > Install from optical is not anymore release critical, that is evident. > > To whom? All the VM testing I do is always with -cdrom foo.iso, so it would > break my VM testing completely. And there is also real hardware that it > would break (and there, you cannot work around it by just changing some > command-line flags). So, the virtual vs. real thing here is actually a bit unclear at present. The criterion we're proposing dropping specifically talks about real, physical optical media: "Release-blocking live and dedicated installer images must boot when written to optical media of an appropriate size"... But, if you look at the Basic and Beta criteria, neither of those actually talks about virtual media at all: they just talk about "USB sticks" (which also implies real physical USB stick, to me at least, and I wrote them :>). The virtualization criterion doesn't get into the nitty gritty of virtual media types, it just says "The release must install and boot successfully as a virtual guest in a situation where the virtual host is running the current stable Fedora release." So if we somehow got a case where a release-blocking ISO booted as a virtual USB stick but not as a virtual DVD, that would actually be a fairly difficult case to call as a blocker, both as the criteria stand right now and if this Change was accepted. Essentially it would be a conditional violation of the virtualization criterion: it'd be broken *if you configure your VM to use the image as a virtual optical disc*, but not if you configure your VM to use the image as a virtual USB stick. As a conditional violation it'd be a subjective decision by whoever showed up to blocker review, and I wouldn't want to guess which way that decision would go, to be honest. I'd probably vote +1, but I dunno which way others would vote. So, while we're considering this Change proposal, we might actually also want to think about clarifying the virtual media requirements a bit in the criteria at the same time... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
