Re: [fedora-java] What's the State of the Java SIG?

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Fabio Valentini wrote:
> Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?

IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity fundamentalists that form the 
current remains of the Java SIG and create a new Java SIG from scratch that 
actually cares about packaging Java properly in and for (non-modular) 
Fedora.

The current modules are missing a lot of Java software that users care about 
(e.g. NetBeans, etc. – some, such as NetBeans, had already been retired 
before Modularity became a thing, because the Java SIG had already been 
disintegrating back then, some was lost in the move to modules), have put 
Eclipse into a broken state, have simply replaced the adapted JPackage 
version of Maven (with RPM integration) with a vanilla upstream Maven that 
does not have this feature (I cannot see what advantage that change brings), 
etc.

And I do not see at all what advantage end users would get from those 
packages being in modules. Both Maven and Ant are tools where you normally 
always want the latest version, there is not much value in being able to 
pick a specific version stream.

        Kevin Kofler
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