Fabio Valentini wrote: > Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG? IMHO, yes. Kick out the 1 or 2 Modularity fundamentalists that form the current remains of the Java SIG and create a new Java SIG from scratch that actually cares about packaging Java properly in and for (non-modular) Fedora. The current modules are missing a lot of Java software that users care about (e.g. NetBeans, etc. – some, such as NetBeans, had already been retired before Modularity became a thing, because the Java SIG had already been disintegrating back then, some was lost in the move to modules), have put Eclipse into a broken state, have simply replaced the adapted JPackage version of Maven (with RPM integration) with a vanilla upstream Maven that does not have this feature (I cannot see what advantage that change brings), etc. And I do not see at all what advantage end users would get from those packages being in modules. Both Maven and Ant are tools where you normally always want the latest version, there is not much value in being able to pick a specific version stream. Kevin Kofler _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx