On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:33 PM Mikolaj Izdebski <mizdebsk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:17 PM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 18, 2019 3:42:20 AM MST Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > > > IMHO effort spent on maintenance of most of these ursine Java packages > > > is mostly wasted effort. As I said before, many times, these packages > > > should be retired and replaced by modular packages, which are > > > maintained by Java SIG members like me. maven and ant modules are > > > already default streams, so users should get them instead of ursine > > > packages. The last remaining step is enabling javapackages-tools in > > > ursine buildroot so that ursine packages can be built with modular > > > maven. Once that happens, there will be no reason to maintain ursine. > > > Therefore, instead of putting time on updating ursine Maven et al. > > > I recommend to put effort towards enabling modules in ursine buildroots. > > > > Why in the world do you want to move even more to modules? > > Not move more to modules, but to reduce duplication by putting module > into buildroot and retiring corresponding ursine packages. > > > > That is not true. It is entirely possible and feasible to build a > > > distribution without ursine Maven/XMvn etc. For example look at > > > RHEL 8 - it includes Maven and Ant only as modules. Modules are > > > used to build ursine Java packages. The same solution should be > > > implemented in Fedora. > > > > I must disagree. That it "works" in RHEL doesn't mean that it should be done > > in Fedora. The current situation in Fedora, where maven and ant have been > > "moved" to modules has screwed over the Eclipse packagers, for example, and > > more are to follow. > > That was not what I said. I made a point that it is not necessary to > indefinitely maintain ursine Maven because modular Maven can be used > to build ursine packages. I used RHEL as a proof that this is doable. We didn't claim that this *cannot* work in fedora, just that it *doesn't*. Because that's exactly what you yourself stated three weeks ago: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/TSPB4YZOAQFOUBSECMMMJAXW6PFZQBPQ/ Fabio > -- > Mikolaj Izdebski > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
