On Feb 25, 2005, seth vidal <skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think extras is workable now. If it's not I wonder what I've been > building every night for the past N weeks. I'm sure you'd think it's workable. Let's see: - you operate one of the biggest mirrors of FC and presumably FE - even if you didn't have FE locally, you've got a *very* fat network pipe at your disposal - you're the author of the tool that gives most people easy-ish access to FE - you run the FE human build system That's hardly the case for the typical Fedora user. In fact, if I knew there was only one person on Earth (or in the universe!) that was happy about the usability of the current Fedora Extras, my first guess would be you, and the second would probably be Bill Gates :-) This is not meant as an insult or as criticism; I really appreciate your effort, and thank you for that. I just don't think your situation is anywhere close to that of most of our user base, and as much as you might try to make your views impartial and unaffected by this, it's very likely to still be very biased. Moving useful packages from Fedora Core to Fedora Extras, as it stands, is too hasty a step. We should extend the Fedora Core tools such that the Fedora distribution (by that I wish I could mean Core + Extras) can be installed and used as such, no matter how fat their network pipe is. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}