On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 14:49 -0600, Michael Favia wrote: > >Mostly to keep the signal/noise ratio down. > > > > > Sounds awful elitist and Machiavellian for a community driven project. All major open source projects have closed lists to keep the s/n ratio down for other development discussions. We're following the model GNOME used for gnome-hackers and gnome-hackers-readonly (though they then made the mistake of desktop-devel-list which became rather noisy, again) > I agree, but then you are just granting the illusion of a community > controlled project arent you? Essentially the real discussion concerning > dev will have been moved to f-m right? I understand that trying to keep No. If a community member not on fedora-maintainers reads something in fedora-maintainers-readonly, I'm sure the thread can be continued on in fedora-devel-list > the project moving without all of this "change is bad" and "me too" crap > is important but i think that this "fix" fails to live up to the > community aspect of the project doesnt it? Essentially your voice doesnt > matter if you arent a maintainer anymore because the other lists will be > read less and less by RH and maintainers over time. As a result you will > lose the community driven nature i think because all of the opinions > batted about will be those of maintainers alone. A moderated white list > of users that conduct themselves in a prescribed manner makes most sense > to me. No. Folk will still read fedora-devel, and don't feel left out by it Also, the other thing to keep in mind is that getting a package maintained isn't too hard, and the Extras process is now, open. My last cvs sync gave me about 572 packages in Extras; last time I checked with the "universe" of packages that another major distribution had, they fit an entire 2 DVDs iirc. So contribute more packages, I guess, and lets make Fedora rock (harder)! -- Colin Charles, byte@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi