On 09/24/2018 08:32 PM, Christopher wrote: > I have a question about this because I don't fully understand modularity. > If these packages are retired, how will maintainers get them installed from > their respective modules in order to build their own packages, and how will > users get the appropriate modules installed to satisfy dependencies? Or is > it the case that no F30 packages will be able to depend on them at all? There are two likely possible scenarios. Which one happens depends mostly on whether a service like "ursa-major" [1] (or equivalent) is implemented by release engineering. 1. Without ursa-major: - orphaned packages won't be auto-retired by releng as too many things still build-depend on them - non-modular packages will rot without maintenance, with provenpackagers occasionally fixing most serious issues - buildroots and user systems will see different package sets (users will get maintained packages from modules, buildroots will keep using old, unmaintained packages) - users will have to disable modular repos in order to be able to install old non-modular packages that are used in buildroots 2. With ursa-major: - packages will be retired by myself - there will be only one package set - modular - buildroots will use the same package sets as available to users - users will be able to install build-dependencies from modular repos enabled in the system by default - module-unaware software (such as mock) will be able to use koji repos (or new kind of buildroot compose) to install packages from [1] https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7840 > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 13:11 Mikolaj Izdebski <mizdebsk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> TL;DR I am planning to orphan Java packages listed below soon after >> Fedora 29 GA. Let me know if you want to adopt any of them. >> >> I'm in the process of transitioning maintenance of all software to >> modules only. The reason is that module maintenance is much easier >> compared to maintenance of non-modular, "ursine" packages. Starting from >> Fedora 29 modules are first-class citizens, so I am finally able to >> orphan ursine packages that are already available in modules. >> >> Ideally these packages should be retired instead of orphaning them, but >> these packages are build-required by a lot of other things. >> Unfortunately as of today modules can't be used as build-requires of >> ursine packages and I'm not aware of any plans to change that. Therefore >> I will let interested parties take maintenance of orphaned packages, or >> else let release engineering figure out how to retire them without >> breaking the whole distro. >> >> I decided to start with the following subset of ursine packages for >> which I am listed as PoC. Until Fedora 29 GA I will be providing all >> updates and fixes to these packages in all active +*release branches. >> After Fedora 29 GA I will orphan these packages, but I will keep >> providing important bugfixes for Fedora 27 and Fedora 28. After Fedora >> 28 EOL I will not maintain these packages in release (non-arbitrary) >> branches at all - I will maintain only corresponding modules. >> >> If you want to adopt any of these packages, please let me know and I >> will happily transfer them to you. >> >> >> Packages orphan: >> ant >> ant-contrib >> aopalliance >> apache-commons-beanutils >> apache-commons-collections >> apache-commons-compress >> apache-commons-io >> apache-commons-jxpath >> apache-commons-lang >> apache-commons-lang3 >> apache-commons-logging >> apache-commons-net >> apache-ivy >> apache-parent >> apache-resource-bundles >> aqute-bnd >> atinject >> bcel >> beust-jcommander >> bsf >> bsh >> byaccj >> cal10n >> easymock >> exec-maven-plugin >> felix-osgi-core >> felix-utils >> geronimo-jms >> geronimo-jpa >> geronimo-parent-poms >> glassfish-jsp-api >> google-guice >> guava20 >> hawtjni >> httpcomponents-client >> httpcomponents-core >> httpcomponents-project >> jakarta-commons-httpclient >> jansi >> 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