On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 09:31 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 03:03:29PM +0200, Jan Kurik wrote: > > > Collectively, are there other F27 changes that seem really key to > > > release this year? If possible, I'd like to target any bigger changes > > > for F28 (or, unlink them from the release itself). > > > > Checking the scope of the F27 [1] I see one more Change "Graphical > > Applications as Flatpaks" [2] we might want to release asap. At least > > I see this Change as a strategical one. > > > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/27/ChangeSet > > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Graphical_Applications_as_Flatpaks > > Yeah, I thought about that one. It's definitely strategic for the > Workstation WG (and see my view on it > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/thread/CQPN3QG433LLZTR > 5TKCBXLXPEKM74LMV/ > ). > > I think this fits under "can be unlinked from the release"; it's > something that can be introduced at any time with minimal disruption to > the release itself or even the release process. But maybe we want to > intentionally aim to land that in November, post-release, so that the > infrastructure changes (and time required from infrastructure team and > rel-eng) are kept away from the critical release time? I've been pushing hard to have the infrastructure changes ready on the F27 timescale, because we don't like to make unrelated infrastructure changes during the later stages of a release, and if we wait to land the things until after F27 is final, it will likely be January before packagers can even start playing around with making Flatpaks of their applications, and we won't have much room for improvement based on feedback before F28. In other words, while it's largely unlinked from the release, it's not unlinked from the windows to make infrastructure changes. The infrastructure changes are separate from how we advertise this as a feature - we could land everything, find that it isn't ready for prime time - and only advertise once we've had chance for refinement. (To some extent, that's the plan already!) We're making a lot of progress, but if we don't have everything lined up within the next month or so, we'll of course have to fall back to landing after F27 is final. As with anybody else planning a feature, having strictly time based releases has a downside and an upside: - If you are the weak link, you are kicked off the boat - But you know another boat is coming soon! Owen _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
