On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:54 AM, James Hogarth <james.hogarth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:31 AM, James Hogarth <james.hogarth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" <tom@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote: >>>> >>>> Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher <arequipeno@xxxxxxxxx> said: >>>>> >>>>> Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether >>>>> it should be installed by default are two separate (albeit related) >>>>> discussions. >>>> >>>> >>>> The subject of the thread here is "deprecated", which implies removing >>>> the package, not just reducing dependencies. >>> >>> >>> Well normally deprecated refers to something which is left in place but >>> which people are advised to move away from which would imply not removing >>> it. >>> >>> I suspect it will be some time before all those packages are modified to not >>> rely on it so any talk of removing it seems premature. >> >> It's not just packages with explicitly published dependencies. It's a >> lot of configuration tools with implicit dependencies, whose authors >> didn't imagine at the time of authorship that basic utilities like >> "/sbin/ifconfig". These tools may be entirely local and outside of >> RPM's, or may never have bothered to declare what they thought was an >> implicit provision as part of running on an RPM based Linux. For >> example, I note on the older systems I have immediate access to that >> ifconfig is used in the python "virtinst" and "uuid" modules. >> _______________________________________________ > > > That's fine Nico, and I'll remind you I'm not in any way proposing > removal of net-tools from the repositories. Cool. "Deprecated" can often imply that the toolkit is due to be removed, so I personally just wanted to point out some specific, hidden dependencies that may not be apparent from a casual RPM analysis. > Also looking at older systems isn't relevant as this is just about > looking forward with Fedora. > > Again do keep in mind that the default RHEL7 server install, a minimal > Fedora install and the upcoming Debian Stretch has no net-tools by > default. I see your point. I'm not saying pulling out net-tools dependencies is unreasonable: I'm suggesting that there may be an unexpected consequence in components with unannounced dependencies, such as the python "uuid" module. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
