On 09/13/2016 12:31 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > For which one of the problems you listed? It would certainly have been interesting to list those in your original mail. It was the first problem, the one with deja-dup > > ----- Original Message ----- >> On 09/13/2016 11:09 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:00:32AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> To be clear, the problem is that a small handful of package maintainers >>>> (including Bastien) are collectively "responsible" for all of the GNOME >>>> and freedesktop components in Fedora (including fprintd), and it's >>>> simply not reasonable to expect them to read all the bugs that are >>>> assigned to them, let alone take the time to forward them upstream. If >>>> you use Red Hat Bugzilla, the right developers may never notice your >>>> bug report at all. >>>> >>>> You have a much better chance filing bugs upstream. You should only use >>>> Red Hat Bugzilla for these components if you happen to know there is a >>>> specific maintainer who actually looks at the Red Hat bugs for that >>>> specific component, or if you're planning to propose it as a release >>>> blocker, or if you just don't care whether anybody sees your bug. If >>>> you have a packaging bug then it's the right place, but please ping >>>> someone to be sure it gets noticed. >>>> >>>> Of course this is not how Bugzilla is intended to work, but it is how >>>> it actually works for GNOME stuff. It's unfortunate, but without some >>>> Launchpad-style automatic bug forwarding, this is going to remain the >>>> case indefinitely. >>> >>> This is a truly awful experiance from POV of a Fedora user filing bugs :-( >>> We've set a silent trap for them with no warning of the fact that their >>> bug reports are going to be ignored until Fedora EOL procedure closes >>> them :-( >>> >>> Even if we can't enhance Red hat Bugzilla, we can at least do more to >>> alert users to this so they stand a chance of doing the right thing. >>> >>> eg, update the component description to tell user to file in GNOME >>> bugzilla instead, and have a bot that adds a comment to any new bugs >>> that are still filed, closing them WONTFIX and asking the user to >>> re-open against upstream GNOME bugzilla, instead of leaving the bug >>> open and ignored until Fedora EOL. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Daniel >>> >> Thanks for recognizing this. I am the OP. I pretty quickly got a >> response suggesting that I file a bug report "upstream". I did that, or >> so I thought, and immediately got a response from someone that it was >> the wrong place or list followed by another declaring the matter closed. >> I went back to my day job. >> >> >> -- >> Roger Wells, P.E. >> leidos >> 221 Third St >> Newport, RI 02840 >> 401-847-4210 (voice) >> 401-849-1585 (fax) >> roger.k.wells@xxxxxxxxxx >> -- >> devel mailing list >> devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > -- Roger Wells, P.E. leidos 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.wells@xxxxxxxxxx -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
