Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

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On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 14:19 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> > 
> > On Jun 1, 2016, at 09:48, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > 
> > Any scheme that relies on unprivileged programs "being nice"
> > doesn't
> > fix the inherent security problem: after logout a user should not
> > be
> > able consume further runtime resources on the system, regardless if
> > he
> > does that because of a bug or on purpose.
> 
> You are redefining the meaning of (a graphical) logout. It simply
> means another user can use the mouse,
> keyboard and screen of this device. It makes no statement on whether
> the machines resources are shared or not.   
> 
> It allows you to kill anything that has to do with the user
> controlling the screen, keyboard and mouse but the killing should be
> limited to those processes. And then we are back at "just fix those
> broken processes".

I think the discussion is starting to go in circles. It is pretty clear
that we have different opinions about the desired behavior of logout.

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