On Thursday 02 June 2016 14:38:38 Matthias Clasen wrote: > I think the discussion is starting to go in circles. It is pretty clear > that we have different opinions about the desired behavior of logout. I'll take this as an opportunity to raise a separate issue. The current implementation has only 2 levels of control: global and individual (lingering). For non-tiny organizations this isn't good enough: * I would expect that root may set lingering for *groups* as well. * Otherwise, administrators need to set policy per-individual and we are back to square one (killing individual user processes). * Than we can have better default policy (e.g: members of groups wheel and staff have "lingering" on). * Example: something similar to access.conf(5) (but "<foo>.d/*.conf" not a monolithic file). * The design should assume that in the future, large organization would expect it their directory service. (e.g: like sudoers can now be integrated in IPA). A separate thought: maybe have a list of exceptions (tmux/screen/vnc/whatever) but this really opens a new can of worms, so it may be better not to mix this with the user/group granularity issue. Thanks, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 oron@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron Ignore Your Rights And They'll Go Away -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx