So there's tmux, screen, curl, wget, and probably quite a few others that don't necessarily get daemonized that are probably affected. It may be that most problems are processes instantiated by the DE running in the user session; and if that's true then maybe the DE needs to be more aggressive with cleanup rather than depending on systemd? Found this related thread, which is now closed for comments but it's interesting perspectives. https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428 --- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx