-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:37:10 -0400 Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Dennis Gilmore <dennis@xxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0400 > > Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:09:03PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> > > Without spinning the wheel of blame -- at Flock, we talked > >> > > about slowing down the crazy train a little bit, probably not > >> > > for F20 at this point but for F21, specifically so we all have > >> > > a chance to work on those kind of things. > >> > Why not F20? FESCo perpetuated the "we don't have a schedule > >> > yet so > >> > >> Um, I asked Dennis and he said it was too late for that to be > >> useful. So there's that. :) > > > > we have already started so many of the release processes that it is > > really hard to stop and postpone things. not impossible, just makes > > things very difficult. We started on the tasks for fedora 20 about a > > week after f19 was done due to the schedule that was setup. > > As far as I know, we've done a mass rebuild and we've branched. FESCo > has closed the Changes. Beyond that, I don't know what else has > actually started. Can you elaborate? Physically it can be done, now that we have branched it means we would have two development strains for awhile or we have a pain point somewhere. biggest issue is that FESCo set an expectation that a release will happen this year. all the hand waviness around dates doesn't relate to reality. Again my thoughts may be wrong but I don't think so. > Also, while there might be many tasks started, I don't really remember > them having strict time windows. Pushing out all the dates starting > today seems feasible to me. Clearly it can be done, because we keep > slipping every release and we still have releases. not having strict time windows is a new thing. Setting a date sets an expectation. There is big pain for all with slipping. Dennis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlIUu14ACgkQkSxm47BaWfeP4wCgkMgaLHPLyvAzb6kbuKO/M92A MJMAnjg37ZqII7ZBHd55yxxeAJrDQH5A =e2gP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
