On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Olav Vitters <olav@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:13:28PM -0500, Billy Crook wrote: >> I would love to see the day systemd is as polished, ubiquitous, and >> robust as smtp. But until that happens, nobody is helped by removing >> MTA from the default install. We're not there yet, and theres no > > systemd and SMTP are not related. This kind of argument is just stop > energy. No. You are wrong. When Sendmail is on the chopping block because "let's just send anything that should get mailed, to systemd instead, and let it pop up pretty graphical bubbles because nobody reads mail anyways", the two are very much related in the context of this thread. Clever as it was to frame the attempted deprecation of sendmail and syslog as separate issues, I think most people can see right through it. I know I can. systemd is great, but it's not a golden hammer, and its existence doesn't render all other software obsolete. I remain stunned to see this many people in this forum, so desperate to get rid of them in the default install -- so eager to follow the latest fad. This is not the time to remove sendmail. This is the time to use it properly. This is the time for it to get configured properly during install. Frankly after so many years of having to set it up by hand on Fedora, I'm quite ready to see it in the default installer. It should always have been there. It's absence in the installer is why certain people perceive sendmail to not be useful. I use it a good dozen or so times a day NOT even counting cronjobs and automated sending. Having a local MTA on every machine enables deeper asynchronous workflow on an organizational scale. Sendmail or otherwise, an MTA BELONGS in Default. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
