On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:10:00AM -0500, Billy Crook wrote: > No. You are wrong. When Sendmail is on the chopping block because > "let's just send anything that should get mailed, to systemd instead, > and let it pop up pretty graphical bubbles because nobody reads mail > anyways", the two are very much related in the context of this thread. There is no "chopping block", and no proposal to put anything on one if there were. > This is not the time to remove sendmail. This is the time to use it > properly. This is the time for it to get configured properly during > install. Frankly after so many years of having to set it up by hand Okay. I'd be interested in seeing an alternate proposal (including people lined up to do the work). Proposals like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=143437 (note, from me!) have been around for years (2004, for that one) but haven't gone anywhere. Meanwhile, things in the _world_ have gotten worse for this proposal. People don't read or expect local mail anymore, even on Linux systems. Mail clients aren't configured to expect it, even when they are local clients rather than web-based. These things can be solved with some effort, but I don't see anyone actually working on it. A worse class of problem is that mail from home broadband providers is likely to just be rejected, and in fact many networks don't allow unauthenticated outgoing mail at all. That makes the problem much more complex than it was a decade ago, when any random system could in fact reasonably be its own mail server. So, there's some coding to be done to make this alterative proposal work. Or at the very least, some writing and formalizing of the proposal. That's good, because it gives an alternative to just being a negative "stop doing things!" voice. Also, though, please be aware that "some individual sat down and installed this system" may not always be our main use case. All of these "configure it on install" suggestions don't help us with the cloud image at all. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
