Le Dim 21 juillet 2013 16:05, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 08:58:39AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> it. Yet the "something better" never materialized. When I had a disk go >> wrong lately I was notified by the big ugly legacy system. I had *zero* >> notification by all the "better" systems that were given as "evidence". >> Because the "better" systems do not exist. None of the 'smtpd is legacy" >> complainers have actually tried to solve the (remote) notification >> problem, none of them actually understand the reliability and >> operational >> constrains, or that being to define message routing (via aliases, > > Sure they do. I can't imagine an installation of any size (eg more than 2 > systems) not using Nagios, Icigna, or some other alerting system. And none of those is a general solution, they've never agreed to a common API which has a reasonable chance to be available by default, so no app is going to target them. They're all an optional overlay to the default system tools, that processes a very narrow subset of notifications and requires dedicated tools and people. > If you're in the narrow case between a desktop system and an installation > where real monitoring and alerting is worth it, install an MTA. Where is the desktop notification solution in Fedora? There is none able to even remotely approach the capabilities of the cron + MTA bits you so dislike. Even running the latest and greatest rawhide nothing desktop-side caught a very basic event like a failing disk! The only state-of-the-art part of our notification chain is the smtpd element, everything else is hacks or unfinished prototypes (state-of-the-art as in, what are Google and Amazon using to notify their users of events? Mail messages! They would be ROFL if they were reading this conversation. If it's not done yet I predict they'll integrate their phones and tablets and notify you of problems by mail in the next years.) The limit if there is one is between standalone Fedora and server with lots of external infrastucture, and this later use-case has never justified removing built-in capabilities. Fedora is batteries included, not "can't do anything by default, add third-party tools" Solaris. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
