----- Original Message ----- > On Wed, 17.07.13 21:00, Ding Yi Chen (dchen@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > > > If you never want any changes, then Fedora is simply not the > > > distribution for you. Slackware might be. > > > > I want sane changes that does not break my system. > > Well, this won't "break" systems as the change is only for new > installations. Existing systems will stay exactly as they are, rsyslog > stays installed, and will work as always. 1. What if they update the system like this: Backed up user data/script -> Fresh install -> Restore user data/script For that, it won't work. 2. Like other already point out, Windows/Fedora dual boot. You can see /var/log/messages from Windows, but how can you get journalctl output in Windows? > > > > Please update your knowledge, see: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428097 > > > > They have /var/log/messages, yes, it might be different with ours. > > But yes, they have that. > > So, they store different stuff in it. The interesting stuff is mostly in > daemon.log on Debian. So with your suggested program you'd miss out all > the interesting bit son Debian. This stuff is certainly not standardized > on Unix systems... a) If debian output the thing I want in /var/log/messages anyway, why should I care whether other daemon output in other files? b) If my environment only contains RHEL and Fedora, why should I care how Debian, Arch and Ubuntu handle their logs? > > > Innovation should not be the cost of reliability and portability. > > This change touches neither. /var/log/messages already isn't standard in > whether it exists at all, and what it contains, so we certainly don't > make "portability" worse... Something is not standard does not mean nobody using it. Especially it is there quite a long time. Remove it simply break their expectation and scripts. For that, you do make the portability worse. -- Ding-Yi Chen Software Engineer Internationalization Group DID: +61 7 3514 8239 Email: dchen@xxxxxxxxxx Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 Website: www.redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. Facebook: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat Japan | Red Hat Korea | JBoss APAC Twitter: Red Hat APAC | Red Hat ANZ LinkedIn: Red Hat APAC | JBoss APAC -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
