On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:53:06PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > But it's what people actually use in 99.9% of cases. 99.9% of the > time I don't need the extra information in the binary journal. Making > /var/log/messages unavailable by default has a huge down side. We should probably refrain from hyperbole on either side. It has 1) a training/learning cost because the tools are different 2) an inconvenience when the tools aren't easily available 3) a rare real case where no _tools_ are available but the system is partially live and you have no-off-system logging and you can't reboot into a diagnostic tools environment or take the disk offline 4) lack of current tools for attempting to recover a possibly scrambled file 5) early-adopter risk that the code is more fragile than expected and has unknown serious corruption cases Have I missed something? I'd rather see a structured text format, but I understand that that's computationally expensive. At least the binary format is a) simple and b) documented. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/journal-files/ -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel