Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:53:06PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote:
> But it's what people actually use in 99.9% of cases.  99.9% of the
> time I don't need the extra information in the binary journal.  Making
> /var/log/messages unavailable by default has a huge down side.

We should probably refrain from hyperbole on either side. It has 

 1) a training/learning cost because the tools are different
 2) an inconvenience when the tools aren't easily available
 3) a rare real case where no _tools_ are available but the system is
    partially live and you have no-off-system logging and you can't reboot
    into a diagnostic tools environment or take the disk offline
 4) lack of current tools for attempting to recover a possibly scrambled
    file
 5) early-adopter risk that the code is more fragile than expected and
    has unknown serious corruption cases

Have I missed something? 
    
I'd rather see a structured text format, but I understand that that's
computationally expensive. At least the binary format is a) simple and b)
documented. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/journal-files/



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