On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:28:41PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > > One process less in the system → faster bootup. > > As has been pointed out, it could easily be the systemd journal > process that writes to /var/log/messages, so there wouldn't > necessarily be one fewer process. > > > Logs not duplicated → less disk usage. > > True. So keep /var/log/messages and make the binary journal optional. Binary journal gives other features like: - additional metadata (log level, selinux context, uid, gid, capability set (coming soon), cgroups, systemd unit) - slicing and dicing of the data (reverse output, various formats, interleaving of journals from multiple machines, fast filtering by various properties) - fast access to the data, so e.g. 'systemctl status unit' can show data for that unit. With text based /var/log/messages this would be just to slow. Also TAB-completion for filters. So removing the binary journal has huge downsides. The need for /var/log/messages filters down to wanting to use less or shell built-ins to read the data, which is a valid usecase, but not worth the overhead in 99% of cases. Zbyszek -- they are not broken. they are refucktored -- alxchk -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel