On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:01:15PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > That's the point. You don't get to be a primary architecture until > > you've demonstrated that doing so won't slow down the other > > architectures > Is that "you don't get to be a primary architecture unless you have > demonstrated that nobody outside of the ARM SIG needs to do any work > on the architecture" == "you don't get to be a primary architecture > unless it doesn't matter whether you are a primary architecture"? Promotion is supposed to benefit Fedora, not the architecture being promoted. > > and that requires you to fix all of these problems > > yourself first. > > That's backwards. For the vast majority of Fedora packagers, ARM > becoming a primary architecture primarily means that every individual > package owner is supposed to fix their packages. So promoting ARM comes at a cost to every individual package maintainer, who now has to do additional work. > So, in some abstract ideal case, there would be a gradual transition > between an ARM SIG starting the bootstrap effort, and non-ARM package > owners gradually taking care of their packages on ARM as well, with > the experience and knowledge slowly spreading enough so that a switch > to primary when everyone is expected to care eventually becomes a > no-brainer, and the ARM SIG can significantly reduce its scope to > ARM-specific tooling changes. I agree that that's the ideal case. If package maintainers are willing to volunteer their time to ensure their packages work on ARM then everything is easier and we all benefit. That doesn't seem to be the case yet. > What you are asking for is the exact opposite: that the ARM SIG > temporarily expands to "own" the ARM aspect of the whole distribution > until there are no ARM bugs, and then to have a "big bang" switchover > to a situation when everyone is supposed to handle their own package > on ARM. What I'm saying is that making ARM a primary architecture isn't going to automatically make volunteers start caring about ARM, and so there should be evidence that the existing ARM porters can deal with the worst case scenario of supporting an arbitrary set of packages themselves. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
