I'm not sure there's any place in our community where it is acceptable for people "to go to fight." Nor do I think that would be healthy. I would prefer to think that noone in our community really wants to hurt anyone else. I think if anyone showed up at any face-to-face meeting specifically with the intent "to fight" or to "hurt someone" they would feel intimidated and would modify their behavior accordingly. So I really don't understand why FOSDEM as a collection of individuals at a face-to-face meeting. would be any different than another face-to-face meeting. But I will say that I would prefer it if our written communication channels were similarly less tolerant of individuals who show up primarily "to fight" or are intent on "hurting someone." Text communication channels, are inherently prone to a loss of civility, and by collectively condoning behavior we'd otherwise find uncomfortable in a face to face setting we hasten the debasement of the level of discourse therein. -jef On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit : >> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote: >>> I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original >>> statement, namely that there is a "completely different target >>> audience" for GNOME 2 vs GNOME 3. >>> >>> I am that datapoint. >> >> As are various others during FOSDEM (Vincent Untz asked people to raise >> their hands). No idea how representative that it. > > The FOSDEM poll was stacked — no one really wanted to hurt Vincent Untz > too much given his obvious efforts to be nice, there was this knot of > GNOME people bunched together that were a tad intimidating, and people do > not go to FOSDEM to fight. What is telling however is the complete refusal > of the audience to put systemd and Gnome 3 in the same bucket. Lennart's > efforts to explain his project, understand sysadmin needs, provide a > smooth transition and keep current usages working clearly paid off there. > > So don't overplay the GNOME 3 FOSDEM session, it was an awkward moment for > everyone involved (and certainly not representative of the positive energy > that permeated other presentations). > > -- > Nicolas Mailhot > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
