On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 22:17 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > So right now, we are doing substantially *better* at supporting old > systems than we were in 2003. Oh, god, I'm pulling a Kevin with this list spamming, but this is just too glorious not to post. I couldn't resist taking a trip in the wayback machine. Here we are in Fedoraland, 2003: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December . What do we find? Well, we find someone complaining that everything's just too bloated: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/047891.html "curious that 3 of these 4 things have to do with reducing code footprint. I guess you can infer that either I have too much old hardware, or bloat has become an issue, or I suppose that I'm just totally off-base here" This provokes a huge thread which goes firing off in all sorts of directions, during which people including Seth Vidal and Jesse Keating have a passionate debate about exactly what ought to be included in a minimal install: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/048318.html "Ah but the barebones system won't include yum. The absolute must include stuff will be a command line rpm capable of installing rpms from a CD or such. Barebones means barebones." The same thread - such a damn goldmine! - also features a debate about whether we really want to support all these pesky legacy systems with 386 CPUs. Bill Nottingham seems to have been firmly on my side all these years: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/047967.html "I'm not sure that scaling back the requirements that much is something that fits the model of always moving forward with new technology." And - diving back in the thread, but I saved the very best for last - someone complaining about how damn bloated our memory requirements have gotten, and why can't they install on their perfectly good old hardware: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/047907.html "Why must I waste min 64 megs ram on an old gateway box, I like the idea of able to bare bones install on 32 megs ram or less, i have a 486 gw box ran for years, no need to upgrade it for what it does, still runs a VERY ancient version of RH because it has 8 megs ram and nothing since rh6 will install, to put a modern OS on it i could put slackware, but why slackware, when RH should do this as it used to, a text install should use SFA as it doesnt need gui.." Well, you know, it's all about memory usage in the package installation process, as Seth points out: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/048089.html Meanwhile, our trusty European punctuation-less shit-stirrer (sound familiar, anyone?) is still saying we suck if we can't support minimal memory installs, and we should be better than 'winbloze': https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/048553.html "But what about the main point in question, if we can do it with upto RH6, we can do it now with current slackware, so why cant we do a basic text install in fedora with piddly amount of ram, I mean, this is linux afterall, not winbloze :)" And someone is making Kevin's argument, although not accusing anyone of being the cause of environmental devastation in China: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/047977.html "Moving technology forward doesn't HAVE to mean being in a race with memory, cpu, and disk producing companies. We want to scale small as well as large, and I'm not strictly opposed to making this available if we can figure out how to do it without making life significantly harder for us." Justin Forbes - Justin! - is around, and being as forward thinking as usual: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2003-December/047892.html "Concurrent FC2 releases for x86_64 and i386." Fedora: plus ca change, plus c'est la meme fucking chose. And the same people, even. Truly, Ralf, Fedora is "going down the drain". This is gonna keep me amused for the next week easy. :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
