On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 00:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > It hasn't really 'skyrocketed'. We cited 512MB for several releases, > > bumped it to 768MB for F15/F16 (IIRC), got it back down to 512MB for > > F17, and it's back up to 768MB or 1GB for F18 atm because everyone has > > more important stuff to do than optimize the RAM usage right now. But > > it's not been rising crazily or anything. > > These were the numbers for RHL 9: > http://www.gurulabs.com/downloads/RELEASE-NOTES-RHL9.html > | Memory: > | - Minimum for text-mode: 64MB > | - Minimum for graphical: 128MB > | - Recommended for graphical: 192MB > So, since Fedora has existed, Anaconda's memory requirements have increased > by at least an order of magnitude! How's that NOT "skyrocketing"? RHL 9 came out in 2003. That's *nine years ago*. In 2003, an expensive system from Dell - cost price UKP 1314, that's nearly $2k in U.S. money - came with 512MB of RAM. http://www.trustedreviews.com/Dell-Dimension-8300-3-0GHz-Ultimate-Christmas-Bundle_Desktop-PC_review A U.S. model with 1GB of RAM cost $3,600: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1135791,00.asp I can't find any reviews of more modest configs on the front page of Google, but it seems reasonable to assume a 'typical' system shipped in 2003 would've had maybe 256MB-512MB of RAM. The most expensive stock config I can find from Dell today - comparable to the two systems listed above - is http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dddapy1&model_id=xps-8500&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19 (interestingly, model 8500 - has Dell had a single model line all this time?), which costs $1050 - half as much as the 2003 system, not even adjusted for inflation - and comes with 24GB of RAM. That's 48 times as much, for those keeping score at home. That blows our measly 5-or-7 times increase in RAM requirements out of the water. We appear to be effectively reducing our memory requirements over time, considered as a percentage of the typical RAM allocation of an off-the-shelf system. Even a more modest 'typical' Dell desktop - https://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-660/pd - comes with 6GB at the most basic configuration (comparable to 256MB for a 2003 basic desktop, I'd guess - so a 24x ratio), or 8GB (32x ratio) at a moderate config (only $599). You're being pretty absurd comparing 2003 requirements to 2012 requirements without allowing at all for hardware inflation. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
