On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 06:42 -0600, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: > Regardless of all that, we need to be better about communicating that > we use a feature-based release scheme as opposed to a time-based > release scheme. There are trade-offs to both approaches, but at least > with clear communication, we set the right expectations. We don't, really. The schedule is still broadly time-based. For other recent releases, there has been substantial pressure to push the release once the slip reached 3 weeks, regardless of quality. And we absolutely don't wait for all features to be 'done' to ship a release. 18 isn't getting delayed because newUI is a Feature and it's not Done, but because newUI is a feature _that happens to be a rewrite of the installer_, the most critical part of the distribution. Even the most time-focused people on Board, FESCo, QA etc teams have been agreed that what we've had so far is just not shippable from a quality POV. 18 isn't held up because its features aren't done, it's held up because we just can't ship something with the current bug set and lack of an upgrade mechanism. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel