Moral rights are from the Civil Code/French tradition. We don't do moral rights, although certain interests keep trying. Moral rights in the copyright context (I am unaware that they exist outside copyright) are a right of attribution and a right of integrity. We don't have these in the US tradition. I could live with a right of attribution, kind of, but the integrity right would be a disaster. The fact the US and UK traditions don't have these kinds of copyright notions is one of the things that is good in the context of information freedom. I see the wikipedia page on moral rights lists them with natural or inalienable rights. My guess is that's a new notion, possibly part of a scheme to confuse the concept of moral rights in copyright law with the most fundamental rights. Copyright is a statutory right in America, which means Congress could, if it had the will, change copyright to suit the digital age -- so just keep that distinction clear. Far better to talk natural or inalienable rights than use a terminology that can give us a lot of trouble in copyright. Seth On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Andrew Haley <aph@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 06/18/2012 06:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> I hesitate to put words in people's mouths, and correct me if I'm >> wrong, but it reads to me as if Jay and others are arguing from an >> incorrect premise. That premise is to assume that there is a >> God-given right for people who own computing devices to retrofit >> alternative operating systems onto those devices. >> >> I want to put it out there that this is _not true_. > > The problem with this claim is that it equivocates on the meaning of > "a right". There are at least two definitions of "a right" in this > sense: moral rights and legal rights. These are not the same. Moral > rights are not in the gift of any Government. While we may not have a > legal right to run whatever software we wish on hardware we own, it's > not at all unreasonable to claim a moral right to do so. > > Andrew. > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel