On 18 June 2012 00:38, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > the point is that it was perfectly possible in 2005 to make a fedora > dist-upgrade at friday night while http, netatalk or samba was > fully up and running until saturday sometimes at evening where > you rebootet the machine and now EIGHT years later we discuss about > making updates at reboot/offline like windows? Well, if you're running a headless server with just http, netatalk and samba then you can of course update now live using yum, restarting services when convenient. I'm not going to change that. What I want to change is for the case of updating a fully functioning desktop with ~30 session processes per user talking to each other over session DBus, ~20 doing IPC with system DBus, and ~15 processes in the system context, ~3 of which do DBus IPC with each other. That's about as far removed from a simple server with three non-connected daemons that do one thing each as you can get. > something must have gone terrible wrong in the meantime If your goal is to just run three simple daemons, I agree. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel