On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Richard Hughes <hughsient@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > That's simply not possible. Some processes like dbus-daemon and > gnome-session just cannot be restarted in this way. It's a complete > fallacy to believe you can update core libraries on a modern Linux > system without rebooting. I upgraded running systems from a.out to elf and from libc to glibc without shutting down. Okay, init itself is a bit tricky, but it also basically does nothing on a running system so the problems in upgrading it are not especially relevant. And now some mere userspace daemons mean users will constantly need to reboot for upgrades? Regressions against featuresets from the '70s and '80s are pretty unfortunate. This is starting to sound like evidence of a serious design flaw in some of these daemons. I find that unfortunate because I really like systemd. (And the "you can manually force it", seems not much of a consolation to me— since that will be untested, unsupported, and very likely non-functional.) If we ask the question— retrospectively, if we knew that eventually the acceptance of systemd (or newer dbus-daemon) would have ultimately resulted in needing to reboot for updates would we have accepted it? I think the answer is pretty clearly No. If slippery slope arguments are to be dismissed when they're used against new features like systemd (or Wayland or whatever), then Fedora really does need to draw a line in the sand and say no to bad effects when they crop up. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
