On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:09:52 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:21:14PM -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote: >> >> > I think 50 million dollars toward buying, and properly arranging >> > the UEFI, of several lots of x86 computers would indeed solve >> > part of the problem you point out. >> > >> > Why not? >> >> Because said machines would cost more than identical hardware with >> different firmware. Sales of Linux-specific PC hardware haven't been >> massively successful so far. >> >> -- >> Matthew Garrett | mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Why should they cost more? > >And suppose they cost $20 more. Let Red Hat pay this, and/or run >an ad campaign explaining that with this motherboard, you can >actually know what is running on the machine. So now your solution to the problem is to have Red Hat subsidize the hardware (aka lose money). That is a good way to go out of business in a hurry. >ad previous lack of success of sales of GNU/Linux machines: In >every case I know, Microsoft just bribed/threatened the vendor to >stop selling the machines. Of course it could have nothing to do with the Linux community failing to provide what the customers wanted, everything has to be a conspiracy. >If Red Hat accedes to Microsoft's demands here, there will be no, >let me repeat, no hardware that Fedora can be easily installed >on. Here is why: > >By your own explanation, you think that without the special key, >controlled by Microsoft, Fedora would be too hard for some people >to install. OK, so you agree that Fedora must get permission >from Microsoft to allow easy installs of Fedora. > >The game is now just about over. What if one day, Microsoft >makes it even harder to install Fedora without a Microsoft >controlled key? What if, as has already happened with ARM, >Microsoft refuses to grant Fedora a special key? > >No. Let Red Hat tell the truth. Let Red Hat design a better >UEFI motherboard. So now the target has moved from Red Hat buying some hardware with secure boot disabled to Red Hat hiring a design team (at signficant cost) and developing their own motherboard. It is so nice that you are so willing to spend Red Hat's money, though I suspect the shareholders would have other ideas about entering into the world of spending lots of money to design a motherboard that you then intend to sell at a loss. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
