On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Jon Masters <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 17:54 -0400, seth vidal wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:52 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 05:43:49PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: >> > >> > > that seems like a bit of odd logic. The logs are emitted to syslog with >> > > the same thought in mind - that someone will read them - but that is >> > > also not necessarily true. But I would not want to see us discarding >> > > syslog, either. >> > >> > We have a range of utilities that perform useful syslog parsing. The >> > fact that most of them then seem to pass that output to sendmail leaves >> > me a little less convinced that anyone pays the slightest bit of >> > attention to them. >> > >> > More realistically, we install syslog because it gives us debug >> > information that we (as developers) wouldn't otherwise be able to get. >> >> Maybe that's why you do it - but I don't. And we have a lot of utilities >> that parse and handle logs and send proper notifications on events we >> need to worry about. > > I have an MTA installed because I expect to get emailed logs, and root@ > does go somewhere. Now, there are a couple of things I should admit: > > 1). I did replace the out-of-the-box MTA, because it was sendmail. I > don't actually care too much about using sendmail, I happened to have > configuration files that just work, because the entire mail subsystem > wasn't rewritten recently, so I could just copy those files in place. > > 2). I care more about the "server" experience on this machine than > pretty GUI stuff. I know that's no longer the default here :( I also > like to think about what I want to base upon Fedora in the future. But my point still remains that it doesn't work out of the box and you have to do stuff to make it work, so if your in that situation its not hard to do "yum install someMTA" Peter >> And the first person who mentions snmptrap events gets slapped. :) > > Well, I use SNMP for power control, etc. but even I am not anal enough > to use it at home for logging. > > Jon. > > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
