On Thu, 12.08.10 13:19, Mike McGrath (mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a > single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not > point fingers. How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one > individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure. > > Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more > than half of a full release cycle. While I side with mclasen here and believe that it is a strength of Fedora that we take the liberty to let cycles slip rather then compromise quality, I want to mention one thing: on opensuse the "base" system has a different schedule then the rest of the OS. i.e. the kernel, gcc, glibc and the low-level tools freeze first, while everything else may be hacked on a couple of weeks more. Maybe that's something to adopt for Fedora as well? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel