Oct 6 2006: "Fedora Core 6 release date slip" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2006-October/002243.html Oct 16 2006: "Another slip in the FC6 schedule" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2006-October/002248.html Jul 11 2006: "FC6 test2 freeze slipping by a week" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2006-July/002215.html Jul 19 2006: "FC6 Test2 Freeze Slip" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2006-July/002219.html Jul 31 2007: "Fedora 8 Test 1 slipping" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2007-July/000027.html Sep 4 2007: "Fedora 8 Test 2 slipping" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2007-September/000046.html Jan 14 2008: "Slip of Alpha" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2008-January/000125.html Mar 3 2008: "Beta freeze/release slipping by a week" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2008-March/000159.html Mar 20 2008: "Fedora 9 Beta slipped a few days" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2008-March/002426.html Apr 17 2009: "Fedora 9 Release date slipping by two weeks (new date, May 13) - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2008-April/002445.html Feb 3 2009: "Fedora 11 Alpha slip" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2009-February/002605.html Mar 19 2009: "Fedora 11 Beta slip" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2009-March/000393.html May 19 2009: "One week slip of Fedora 11 Release" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2009-May/002648.html May 28 2009: "One (more) week slip of Fedora 11 Release" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2009-May/002652.html Aug 10 2010: "Slip of Fedora 12 Alpha by one week" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2009-August/000480.html Feb 25 2010: "Fedora 13 Alpha slip by one week" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2010-February/002772.html Apr 1 2010: "Fedora 13 Beta Slip 1 week" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-April/134324.html May 12 2010: "One week slip of Fedora 13 Release" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2010-May/002806.html Aug 12 2010: "One week slip of Fedora 14 schedule" - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2010-August/002849.html Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not point fingers. How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure. Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more than half of a full release cycle. Thoughts? -Mike -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel