On Thursday, August 12, 2010 09:33:17 pm Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 12.08.10 13:19, Mike McGrath (mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a > > single slip listed twice). Lets not yell, lets not flame war, lets not > > point fingers. How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one > > individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure. > > > > Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more > > than half of a full release cycle. > > While I side with mclasen here and believe that it is a strength of > Fedora that we take the liberty to let cycles slip rather then > compromise quality, I want to mention one thing: on opensuse the "base" > system has a different schedule then the rest of the OS. i.e. the > kernel, gcc, glibc and the low-level tools freeze first, while > everything else may be hacked on a couple of weeks more. Maybe that's > something to adopt for Fedora as well? Agreed. On both. Slips are not problems (if it's not 6 months slip :D). Slips happens and are regular solution. But for core system freeze - it's actually THE MUST! For us, booting system with working Xorg is the point where we can start working on our packages and testing!!! Jaroslav > Lennart -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/ -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
