On Sunday, 28 February 2010 at 11:44, Dodji Seketeli wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:23:21AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Speaking as someone who is still on F11, I want the latest software > > as long as it doesn't break anything, because most often there are > > new useful features in it. > > I think one of the problems is precisely that "new features as long as > it doesn't break anything" is practically impossible to ensure today. On the contrary, it works quite well in practice. > When it happens, it's mostly by luck as there is obviously not enough > testing happening between the moment when the upstream package is > released and the moment when we push it into Fedora stable. I don't think letting packages rot in -testing longer will solve anything. Those who have time to track -updates or who care about some specific packages will pull them from koji or test them from -testing. What might help is to advertise -updates more and encourage users to enable it and give feedback. > To maximize testing for a given package, it would require at least e.g. > a "Rawhide to Branched" cycle, or/and more time in updates-testing to > give people an opportunity to test the package more and/or some > $SOLUTION. Among my friends and users, nobody uses even updates-testing. They don't have the time for such things. So from my point of view, more delay before a package hits stable won't change anything for better. > What would you propose to to maximize the chances of ensuring your "new > features as long as it doesn't break anything" scenario? I think it is, in general, safe to assume that maintainers know best when to push updates, as long as there are clear guidelines. I object to making life harder for all maintainers to punish a select few who make mistakes or just don't know any better. So - leave things as they are, but educate the errant maintainers. Maybe mentors or other provenpackagers could step up here? Regards, R. -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org | MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu "Faith manages." -- Delenn to Lennier in Babylon 5:"Confessions and Lamentations" -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
