On Saturday, 27 February 2010 at 16:44, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > > Chris Adams wrote: > > > > IMHO you're developing the wrong distro. It is statements like yours > > > > that contribute to the "Fedora is a rolling beta" perception (and I > > > > don't think that's a good perception to have). If you want to target > > > > rawhide with rolling releases of KDE, have fun. Once a release is out > > > > the door, try not to just throw a new kitchen sink in for the hell of > > > > it. > > > > > > Some people actually LIKE rolling releases, indeed some distros use > > > completely rolling releases (e.g. Arch Linux). We are currently somewhere > > > inbetween (partly release-based, partly rolling), and IMHO this compromise > > > is working great. We get the advantages from a rolling release model, but > > > with a lot less surprise breakage as in a true rolling model because > > > disruptive changes like libata go only into new releases. > > > > > > > If only we had some sort of rolling release, that tracked as closely with > > upstream as possible, where the users of said release understood they were > > drinking from the firehose. Meanwhile, along side that release we could > > have periodic stable releases that don't move so quickly. That way you get > > what you want and I get what I want. Oh wait! That's the world we live > > in today. Next time a user tells you "I want a newer X" tell them > > "Upgrade to rawhide". > > > > <bad form replying to myself, sorry> > > Or to put it another way, why aren't you doing this and telling others to > do this? If someone is on F11 still, why do you think they want the > latest and greatest software? Speaking as someone who is still on F11, I want the latest software as long as it doesn't break anything, because most often there are new useful features in it. > If they did, they'd upgrade to f12. No. Upgrading is a major pain. For example, on my EeePC I have very little space so before upgrading I have to uninstall the largest packages to be able to upgrade at all. And even then, yum-based upgrade is the only option. But even without that case, upgrading takes time and one has to check if everything still works afterwards (for example, read the release notes). When you're busy, you don't have time to do that. So I tend to stay with a release until its end of life. > And further still, why wouldn't they be running rawhide? Because I don't want to wake up worrying if last night's update broke my system or not. > The rolling update release exists. Why force rolling updates on people > that haven't chosen to run rawhide? Nobody is forcing updates on me. I like things the way they are now. Regards, R. -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org | MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu "Faith manages." -- Delenn to Lennier in Babylon 5:"Confessions and Lamentations" -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
