Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> said: > On 02/01/2010 10:23 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:16:54AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > >> Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius<rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> said: > >>> IMO, you are facing a hen-and-egg problem: You've never seen such a > >>> complaint, because using a separate /usr partition has never worked on > >>> RH-based distros. > >> > >> Please stop repeating this untrue statement. > > You violently don't refuse to understand? That is correct, I am not refusing to understand (that would be you). > RC> Consider having /usr on a separate partition and /usr failing to RC> > mount > RC> at bootup and times at system bootup, during which /usr is not yet > RC> available, because it has not been mounted, yet. > > RC> These scenarios are the key scenarios to separate those parts of a > RC> distros which need to be considered "essential" (have to go into > RC> /lib, > RC> /bin, /sbin) and which to be consider "non-essential". Yes, that's a packaging bug, which started this thread. lspci can't work without stuff from /usr, so it should be moved there, or possibly the needed dependencies should be moved out of /usr. If you know of other problems like this, please cite specifics so they can be fixed, instead of continuing to make vague and unfounded comments that "a separate /usr partition has never worked on RH-based distros". > The "emergency scenario" (/usr not being available) does not work with > Fedora and probably all RH-based distros, because there are packages in > /bin/* /sbin/*, which are dynamically linked against libraries in /usr/lib*. Since when was lspci a mandatory part of an "emergency scenario"? There's enough in /bin and /sbin to edit config in /etc, check partitions, device-mapper, filesystems, etc. You can bring up networking, and (if you are handy enough) fetch files from the network (although it would be nice to move ftp to /bin, since it appears to have no /usr requirements). You have cpio, gzip, and bzip2 (xz should move to /bin as well), and with a little work, you can extract RPMs (although it looks like od is now in /usr/bin; I thought the last time I needed it, it was in /bin). The fact that you apparently can't do any recovery with the working programs in /bin and /sbin doesn't mean that others can't. -- Chris Adams <cmadams@xxxxxxxxxx> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
