On Friday 29 January 2010 06:35:21 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 01/28/2010 04:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius<rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> said: > >> On 01/27/2010 02:17 PM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > >>> Do you think moving this is a bad idea? > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >> The pciutils are valuable tools when trying to recover from situations > >> when "things go utterly wrong". > > > > So what difference does it make where they are (e.g. why do you say this > > is a bad idea)? > > Consider having /usr on a separate partition and /usr failing to mount > at bootup and times at system bootup, during which /usr is not yet > available, because it has not been mounted, yet. > > These scenarios are the key scenarios to separate those parts of a > distros which need to be considered "essential" (have to go into /lib, > /bin, /sbin) and which to be consider "non-essential". right, the point is lspci wont work without /usr, but can you give me any real world scenario where not having working pciutils on system with not mounted /usr can make any trouble that you won't be able to mount /usr without it? > > > They don't work without other stuff in /usr, so they > > should be in /usr. > > Rsp. this "other stuff currently in /usr" needs to move, too. > > >>> only problem can be with separate /usr partition but because of library > >>> in /usr it would be already broken and I've not seen any complain > >>> about it ever. > >> > >> Well, a separate /usr-partition has never worked on RH-based distros. > > > > I beg to differ; I've been using a separate /usr (mounted read-only > > except during maintenance) on RHL, RHEL, and Fedora for at least 13 > > years. > > Really? The situation definitely has improved over times, but I recall > times, when not even "rpm" was able to run without /usr. > > Consider taking out /usr from your fstab and to check how far you can get. > With /sbin/lspci you will be able to check your pci setup, with > /usr/sbin/lspci, you wouldn't. > > Should setpci be used somewhere in bootup scripts, you likely won't be > able to boot up your system at all. and because libpci is in /usr for a long time and there was not any complain so far, it probably is not used > > Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
