Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 28.01.2009, 21:10 -0500 schrieb Behdad Esfahbod: >> Robert Scheck wrote: >>> But mostly the Red Hat guys are lacking massive >>> RPM knowledge and ignore Guidelines [snip]. >> Can we please be done with this kind of blanket statements as well as "Red Hat >> vs the community" comments? They are derogatory, demoralizing, and border on >> offensive. And after the third time, simply frustrating. Red Hat has some of >> the best engineers in the world, perhaps some of the worst if you wish, and >> most probably a lot of average ones. So what? > > I think what Robert and me wanted to express is: It's not only that some > (!) people from RH do not follow the guidelines but some also explicitly > refuse to follow them even after they were told them what's wrong. I > have no explanation for that kind of behavior but arrogance. I have a very unpleasant experience with a community maintainer over a package we co-maintained and that I'm the upstream. Do I extrapolate that to all non-RH people? No. Stop discriminating already. If an RH person doesn't follow Fedora rules and guidelines, follow the standard Fedora procedures to deal with them. Stop whining. Please. >> Most of what is seen as "Red Hat guys are bad at packaging" is simply baggage >> held from the Core days. > > Agreed, but we've had merge reviews with proposals for enhancements and > fixes that did not get applied by the owner. I have never ever seen this > from a community member. If someone did, his review request would be > closed "WONTFIX" pretty soon, but this isn't possible for merge reviews. Sure. That's a problem with the merge review procedure perhaps? Definitely not something to blame the poor RH developer for. I still have many merge reviews unresolved. Am I blocking them? Hell no. Go ahead and complete them. I'll give you full maintainership if you need. As I said a couple months ago, just because I work for Red Hat doesn't mean Fedora procedures get to decide what I work on. >> Unfortunately (for us "Red Hat guys") most Core >> packages were simply thrown upon us as part of our job. I would never >> *volunteer* to do packaging, as that's not what I'm best at. > > Does that mean you are expecting someone who volunteers for something to > do it better than someone who has do to it because he get's paid for? I > can not follow that argument and I doubt your employer will. If I don't like what I'm doing, I'll do a very shitty job at it. If I wouldn't volunteer for something, chances are high that I don't like it. My manager and my employer fully understand those two facts. >> If someone wants >> to go ahead and take maintainership of all my packages, I very well appreciate >> it. I'm sure many other "Red Hat guys" are in the same boat. > > This is what I call a constructive suggestion. ;) Now wait and see how much real change that makes. That's the problem... behdad > Regards, > Christoph > >> behdad >> proud Red Hat employee, poor package maintainer, RPM n00b. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
