On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 01:24 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > How is NM-dispatcher a developer service? Similarly, nm-tool is > > at least quicker than 'ip addr ls ; ip route ls ; cat /etc/resolv.conf'. > > and ifconfig -a works on multiple platforms, so it's the one that will > win. ifconfig -a doesn't show all the information if you're doing multiple addresses on an adapter. > > As for resources... just to point out that NM (at least on my laptop) > > uses 2.5MB resident... pretty much exactly the same amount as the 5 > > unused mingetty processes that many 'server' admins screamed needed to be > > kept always. > > > nm, dbus in particular: > dbus: 3M > NM: 17M here > > that's 20M vs 9M total for all the gettys running here. You're looking at VSZ, not RSS. > Look, for the desktop in particular NM makes a lot of sense, I am not > arguing otherwise. > > For the server it is a solution looking for a problem. > > The reaction you're seeing is people who don't care about the desktop > trying to figure out why desktop and/or developer oriented features are > causing them to have to change their server deployment/config habits. > > You can't tell me you're surprised by the pushback, Bill. Let me change the wording of your argument a little... "Look, for the desktop in particular Linux makes a lot of sense, I am not arguing otherwise. For the server it is a solution looking for a problem. Solaris works just fine thank you very much." It's *exactly* the arguments I heard with switching out Solaris stuff when I was at NCSU. One of the things about progress and getting to a more mature *platform* that is suitable across a wide range of uses is change. I'm not saying that NetworkManager is perfect yet for the server needs. But having people that want to run a server say "pound sand, go the hell away, we don't want to run your new-fangled stuff" doesn't help us get to where it is. Maintaining two systems in parallel is very much a long-run losing position. Jeremy -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
