Once upon a time, Jeremy Katz <katzj@xxxxxxxxxx> said: > One of the things about progress and getting to a more mature *platform* > that is suitable across a wide range of uses is change. I'm not saying > that NetworkManager is perfect yet for the server needs. But having > people that want to run a server say "pound sand, go the hell away, we > don't want to run your new-fangled stuff" doesn't help us get to where > it is. Having developers say "pound sand, go the hell away, we don't want you to be able to do things the way you've been doing them for 10+ years" doesn't help either. A stack of daemons cannot be as reliable as ifconfig/route. Having a stack of daemons running for something that will not change is useless. I do care about the desktop, and I use NM on my notebook (not on my workstations that have a single interface with a single static IP). I have to shut it down on my notebook sometimes because it doesn't handle some of my normal usage (multiple wired NICs, wired and wireless to different networks, etc.). I just don't see it as being useful or desired on my servers. Any daemon that isn't useful should be disabled (that is sysadmin 101). -- Chris Adams <cmadams@xxxxxxxxxx> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list